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By Mark Wineka

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Ron Woodard sometimes advises people who suspect an employer is using illegal immigrants to call the Internal Revenue Service.

Most whistleblowers contact the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office through its tip line. But Woodard says ask the IRS to conduct an audit of the company, because the federal government is always concerned when enough taxes aren't being paid.

Otherwise, Woodard has become a champion of E-Verify, a Web-based system that verifies the employment eligibility of new hires.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services oversees the mostly volunteer program.

President George Bush recently issued an executive order mandating the use of E-Verify by any company bidding on federal contracts.

It allows an employer to compare employee information taken from Form I-9 (which is supposed to be filled out for all new hires) against 425 million records in the Social Security Administration's database and more than 60 million records in the Department of Homeland Security's immigration databases.

The federal government touts E-Verify as the best means available for determining employment eligibility of new hires and the validity of their Social Security numbers. But the program has its detractors.

Tony Asion, executive director of El Pueblo Inc. in Raleigh, says the Web-based system is not reliable and doesn't have the capacity it should.

He questions calls for all employers to depend on a system that is not fail-safe. It could prove wrong and detrimental not just to Latinos but to all other Americans applying for jobs, he says.

"We should not rush to do something that will create more problems," he adds. Asion has doubts, too, on the appeals process for workers who know they are legitimate but are coughed out by E-Verify anyway.

"People are out there saying we need less government, but this is like a police state," Asion says. "I don't know if this was the way we were supposed to be."

Mai Thi Nguyen, an assistant professor in the Department of City and Regional Planning at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, wrote in a May report that with recent workplace raids for undocumented workers and the emerging threat of lawsuits, employers in North Carolina are aware of the consequences for hiring undocumented workers.

"The vast majority of employers follow legal procedures for checking documentation," she wrote, "but they are not experts in detecting false identification, nor do they have the capacity to check the validity of Social Security numbers. That is left up to the federal government."

The number of illegal immigrants in North Carolina is thought to be approaching 500,000, though a 2005 figure from the Department of Homeland Security put the number at 370,000.

Nguyen says it's a myth that the majority of Latinos in North Carolina are illegal. A 2004 UNC-Chapel Hill report said 41.4 percent were born in the United States, making them citizens. An additional 13.6 percent had visas or were naturalized citizens, leaving 45 percent undocumented.

With employers, the most commonly offered documents for identification include Social Security cards and driver's licenses. But employers cannot mandate what documents are provided.

The Charlotte Mayor's Immigration Study Commission said, "The law requires them to accept any facially valid document or documents from a long menu of documents.

"Employers who comply with the record-keeping provisions ... argue they should not be held accountable if an employee's documents are subsequently determined by a government agency to be improper.

"The issue is more complicated when the concept of contracting is introduced, and determining what, if any, responsibility a business has to ensure the workers are properly documented by a firm being contracted."

For several years, legislation has been introduced in the N.C. General Assembly to require all employers in the state to use the federal E-Verify program, which began as a pilot program in 1997.

House Bill 2610 and its companion, Senate Bill 2002, have once again languished in committee this legislative session.

Woodard, who heads NC Listen, a non-profit organization involved in immigration reform, blames the Democratic leadership for making sure the bills stay in committee.

The leadership sees illegal immigrants as voters who can help Democratic candidates, Woodard charges.

The proposed legislation also would further in trying to identify illegal workers.

It would set up a complaint form to be filed with the Attorney General and call on that office or county attorneys to investigate those suspicions.

"When investigating a complaint," the bill says, "the Attorney General or county attorney shall verify the work authorization of the alleged unauthorized alien with the federal government."

The bill sets out a penalties and a process for notifying ICE. It also calls for an $83,000 appropriation to hire a full-time attorney in the Attorney General's office to assist in implementing the program.

Woodard says using E-Verify to check a new hire's status takes less than a minute. Someone denied by the federal system has the right to contest the results, and he can continue to work if that's the case, Woodard says.

But if you're legal, you'd want to have that straightened out so it wouldn't bite you later, he says.

"The intent is not to disenfranchise anyone but to protect jobs in America," Woodard adds.

He contends that the only part of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that is properly staffed is the E-Verify program, and he thinks ICE can resolve appeals quickly.

Employers can come up with "13 different reasons"why they don't have the necessary documents when ICE makes spot checks of work sites, Woodard says. That would not happen if every employer started with E-Verify.

"If you're audited and have that piece of paper, you're covered," he says. "Either you checked a person, or you didn't."

The state has a plan to borrow $857 million for state construction projects that would create 20,000 jobs, Woodard notes.

"Isn't it fair to ask how many of those jobs will go to illegal immigrants unless state legislation is passed and E-Verify required?" he said.


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Bobby
The Neo-Slavers of North Carolina : Monday, July 21, 2008 3:32 PM

You can tell the neo-slavers of Norht Carolina, just like you can recognize the in other States. They always have a wild eyed look of greed and don't want E-verify, because it simply would stop the Neo-Slavery in its tracks. Pay American citizens a fair wage, and all illegal immigration would stop. How frightening to the greedy neo-slavers.
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Amen! : Monday, July 21, 2008 3:21 AM

You got that right, try working construction here in S. Florida if you want to see what illegals are doing to American jobs. Its UNBELIEVABLE..you could ride around all day long and see nothing but Hispanics working while our un-employment rate is 7.2%. And has anyone noticed that its always the open borders crowd that tells us the "E-verify will never work we need to scrap it. "BULL" its the only government program that I have ever seen work as it should.
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Time to Get Tough : Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 PM

"Nguyen says it's a myth that the majority of Latinos in North Carolina are illegal. A 2004 UNC-Chapel Hill report said 41.4 percent were born in the United States, making them citizens. An additional 13.6 percent had visas or were naturalized citizens, leaving 45 percent undocumented." Well, 45% is quite close to a majority!!. And if the good (?) professor is off by about 5% in his figures, then more than 50% are be illegal aliens. Does he have a bias in this matter? Is he telling the truth? Even if his figures are right, does he think it is ok to have 45% of Latinos here as illegal aliens? That is still far too many. "Tony Asion, executive director of El Pueblo Inc. in Raleigh, says the Web-based system is not reliable and doesn't have the capacity it should." Hey Tony, gives us some facts and figures about how reliable the system is rather than your opinion. You seem to have an axe to grind and therefore are biased. Tony, tell me how strict the laws are in Mexico to prevent illegal aliens from entering Mexico at their southern border. They don't put up with any crap down there at their southern border. We should do likewise.
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Yes : Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:34 PM

HELP STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.......MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD: http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?series=vdggl1&gclid=COO0gcLGx5MCFSgtagodA3cbCA
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levotb
E-Verify Service : Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:42 PM

Ron Woodard is a hero! He should be congratulated for getting this system up and running in N.C.
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Assumed names and Illegals : Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:32 AM

Several Salisbury companies, which family members of mine have been employed with, use illegals. The majority of those are using assumed names. Identity theft is HUGE among Latinos. Our Latino friends will not leave the most innocuous of mail laying about for fear of having their identity taken. Deportation is a joke as well. One Latino we know laughs and says when he wants to see his family he just gets himself deported so that the trip is free and then comes right back in time to be at work when his two weeks of vacation is over. The current legislation is like trying to fix an axe wound with a bandaid...too little, too late. If anyone wants to see what the reality of illegal workers in North Carolina workplaces is, then they need to dress down and get a blue collar job for a few weeks. Looking in from the outside, they're not going to get a true picture.
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